Dual Enrollment Tips and Facts

All right, hi everyone, welcome to this dual enrollment tips and facts web and R through Colorado State University and we are going to get started here in just a few more seconds. I want to get a chance to make sure everyone who's joining us is able to get connected and get logged in. I see that we have people coming and joining us from all over. I do see the great so you have Colorado of course as well as students from Washington, Texas, New Jersey, Hawaii, Nebraska where I'm from. Very nice Nevada.

Arizona wow, thank you all so much for joining us. I'm so I will go ahead and get us started. We are going to have a Co presenter. My colleague Paul Santiago will be joining us. He is just having some technical difficulties so I'll go ahead and get started and he'll join us when he is able to. So my name is Ali Foreman I use she her pronouns. I am one of the freshman admissions counselors here at CSU.

So here in the office I cover high schools in the area of long Mont Boulder and some Littleton area schools as well. And then out of state I covered the Southeastern United States. When Paul gets a chance to join us and introduced himself, he'll include his territories and I list those to let you know that each and everyone of you has an assigned admissions counselor, and I know that when you're in dual enrollment student, it can be a little bit confusing as to whether you should go to your freshman admissions counselor or to your transfer admissions counselor so.

To that end, I do want to let you know that you can reach out to both of us. So say you're a student at Fort Collins high school here in Fort Collins. You're more than welcome to reach out to your assigned freshman admissions counselor, and we can help you with things like the first year experience. What housing is going to look like financial aid the freshman application. But if you are also attending Front Range Fort Collins and you have some credits that you're not really sure how they're going to transfer, or if you're trying to decide which classes to take, Paul Santiago, who will be joining us, actually does cover Front Range Fort Collins so.

He would be able to meet with you or talk to you over the phone and kind of chat with you about what those credits may transfer as you have the best of both worlds in these great resources on our campus, you can figure out who your counselor is using our find your counselor function. I am going to drop that in our chat bar over here so you can use that link to figure out based on either the school you attending Colorado or the state you're from out of state who you're assigned. Admissions counselor is both on the freshman and transfer side of things. Along with that, I do want to point out that chat feature, so you should have seen that URL pop.

You're welcome to use that at any point. Throughout this presentation, we're going to run through maybe about 20 minutes of solid information for you, 1520 minutes, and then we're going to open it up to questions that you will have. We know that in Rome it could be a little bit confusing, so we want to make sure we're answering what's most important to you, both broadly speaking, and how it pertains to Colorado State University that encourage you to start thinking of those questions, dropping them in the chat whenever you get a chance, and we'll make sure to answer as many of those as we can possibly get to now before we move into the bulk of our presentation. I do want to take a moment and acknowledge the land that CSU is on today, so.

For Fort Collins, West Fort Collins before Colorado State University was Colorado State University. This was the traditional lands of the Arapaho Cheyenne, anut nations and peoples. So we're going to take a moment and we're going to watch a lantic knowledgement video made by the University. I'm going to share my screen for us to do that, and unfortunately one of the technical difficulties we've been struggling with is that sound isn't able to come through on those videos, so I'm going to drop the link in the chat bar. You're welcome to click through and watch it on your own with sound or I'm going to have subtitles on so.

But you can just watch it through my screen share. So I'm going to mute myself and I'll do that and then will be back here in just a few minutes.

Hello, how are you doing today?

Awesome, thank you so much Shelly for holding down the presentation until I showed up. I can hear the whole thing. I was here. It just wasn't broadcasting through. So thank you so much for, uh, for beginning the whole thing. So as Ellie probably mentioned, a little bit earlier, I am the transfer admissions counselor here at CSU. My territories are the southern Colorado area from Colorado Springs down to the southern and Eastern Plains of Colorado.

Including I have out-of-state territory on the Eastern Hemisphere of the United States, so I cover a lot of areas regardless of that card transfer team, and we're happy to help whoever you are, even if you're not from our territory per se, so feel free to just find us reach out to us and we can help with dual enrollment questions, transfer credits, and things like that. So with That being said, I'm going to hand it back over to Eli.

Awesome Ellie, thank you so much. Again. A mele covered a lot of important things, so I want to talk about what classes should a dual enroll. Dual enrolled high school student should take just in general rule. You want to kind of stick to more standard or general education based courses such as English, math, history, science, things like that. So you also want to keep in mind if you're taking AP courses.

Not to take those courses again as a regular college credit course. For example, AP Literature in English might already come in as English one, so don't Golden rule for a English one at a local Community College, 'cause you probably already got the credit for it through a P. So when you're thinking about what classes to take, I highly encourage you to start with your counselor. Counselor might have some connections or know how to get ahold of a local Community College, and if not, just reach out to us. Ellie and I are more than happy.

To jump in, look at the courses offered at the local area Community College or even four year degree per four year College in your area, and we can find the exact equivalency of what classes you can take ensuring that you aren't taking.

You know twice the amount of course work that you don't need, so definitely reach out to us. There's many classes, there's a lot of classes you can take that apply to general education courses, or if you want to get the jump on, you know, maybe like hey, it looks like I have to get all the way through Calc Three. Can I take pre calculus one cab 2 at a local Community College? You know so that you can get that ball rolling. So that's a great example of what classes to take on next. I will jump over and cover about.

Um, how and will those credits transfer? So just like the previous slide, you want to double check everything, right? You that you're going to take are already going to be difficult. Going to be time consuming, but they could be fun and challenging. So you want to make sure the energycap you are putting into these courses but actually go to the University that you're thinking about attending, even if it's not. See as you any University, do the research, reach out to a transfer counselor or an admissions counselor of some sort and we can help find you those answers so?

At CSU, credit will generally transfer after college level credit, so of course some colleges offer.

Let me reverse a little bit. We gotta make sure you also attending a regionally accredited institution. For example, you know if you're jumping into some kind of tech program like mechanics or tech vet, you know if you want to have some veterinary operations courses like that sometimes won't transfer. So again, you want to reach out just to ensure the credits will transfer and we can again jump on line. Finally, equivalency fine how it transfers the credit count, amount and all. We have a lot of tools that we can use.

Come to help you while in high school you know find a college courses that apply to not just your degree but also general education requirements that might apply to a multiple University. So it's a great way to definitely get a jump on the college level type courses.

I'm so let's go with That being said, a lot of students have questions about well, now that I took college courses, does that make me a transfer student? Technically no. So to be considered a transfer student, you would have to register attend a regionally accredited institution post graduation of high school. So even if you finish your associates degree before leaving.

High school, you're still a first year college student.

That that distinction is graduating from high school, then attending a College of some sorts and then going to a four year University. So that's what makes you a transfer student under some positives for both right as a first year student, it opens up opportunities to have those credits like at least said kind of completed already, so that you have some more freedom to jump into other things and then transfer student again. It's a different application process, so it's good to understand that distinction when you are.

Actually applying, we get a lot of students that will apply this transfer students and then realize they're missing some first year application materials because they're technically at first student, so Elliot is there. Anything I probably flew over too quickly.

I don't think so, so we'll go ahead and wrap up the formal presentation part of this. Thank you so much. I love you for listening. We hope that this was really helpful and we also want to stay connected with you right now to answer any questions that you have. So start dropping those questions in the chat bar and Paul and I will be able to see those on our end and then we will be able to answer those for you. We know dual enrollment in, you know, be a little bit different for each student and also a little bit confusing and we want to make sure that the rest of this presentation can be tailored to what all of you need in the questions that you have. So if you want to drop any of those.

And now we'll go ahead and answer that.

And while they're typing, I'm going to throw out there really looked. Reach out to your local Community College, try to identify a couple courses you want to take, and it's it's only a day 2 tops for us to get you an answer. So of course, please reach out to us with a little bit later time than the weekend before classes start.

OK, awesome, so Molly asked a question for us. She's saying, Do you need an official transcript from the College in the high school or just the high school? So when you're applying to the as a freshman applicant with dual enrollment credits, we only need to see the high school transcript for review for application so you can be admitted to CSU without us seeing the college transcript. But you do need to submit that college transcript when it comes time. If you want the transfer credit so the actual application process that you'll do throughout your senior year of high school.

Will just need to submit that high school transcript and then if you're admitted to CSU and you decide to attend CSU, that's when you'll request. Well, excuse me. The college transcript from the college you've been attending to be sent to CSU for credit evaluation. We have another question, when does CSU need our Community College transcript? So I kind of just answer that. Usually it most students send it throughout the spring semester, ori over the summer before they start at CSU and our registrar's office will evaluate those credits. Correct me if I'm wrong. Paul on that.

No, you're correct. So for the first year student side, you know they send high school stuff, get admitted, but you want to send that transcript to get the work that you put in, right? So definitely send your college transcript so that you can get that credit evaluated to you. The credit evaluation process starts after you've been admitted as you, so the registrar.

Office will go Coulter here. Let's start the process.

Awesome.

Yeah, go for it.

Can I take the next one AP question or are we OK? Alright cool so I see the so AP and dual enrollment are basically the same and end in college credit. So AP courses and college credit or or dual enrollment is actually separate. AP is a class you'll take to get the credit. You must score a certain score. It's usually at 345 to earn college credit. Depending on your score will depend on how that AP class will come over.

For example, let's say you took AP literature and only got a three. We're probably going to get like a general elective credit for that AP score, but if you get a 405, you might get our English one in English. 2 equivalent credits awarded to you, whereas if you just go to your dual enrolled and go to a college or complete a college course, then it's a like for like equivalency. I hope that answers that question.

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Yeah, I would say there's probably pros and cons to each of them depending on what your school offers and what you're interested in. I did drop the link to our AP equivalencies table in the chat so you can click on that and it will tell you for which AP exam, what score you need to get which classes, but again, it is really going to be dependent on that score, whereas like Paul said, for dual enrollment classes, if you get that C minus or better, you'll get credit for the course when you get here. Do you want to address Kylie's question poll doesn't matter.

Who the college is accredited by to be considered for college credits?

Yes, this is a wonderful question. A general rule, if it's a local Community College or very well known University, you shouldn't have to worry about the regional accreditation. That should be pretty taken care of, but there are some.

So colleges out there that aren't regionally accredited there nationally accredited and those are usually like the trying to think of a couple of quick examples of Pima Medical Institute. That's a perfect example where they are nationally accredited. They have a lot of health care type jobs, but their classes will not transfer to CSU.

So again, general rule local Community College. Probably the best bet. Probably the easiest one for your student to take dual enrollment courses. I don't think, and I can't speak for the whole USI guess, but I don't think there are dual enrollment programs or non regionally accredited institutions that I'm aware of.

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Absolutely.

Not that I'm aware of either, and if you're ever unsure, you can always reach out to us and we will be able to do that research and let you know if that's in accredited institution. That CSU will be able to accept.

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So Megan asks, where would we look to see what our dual enrollment credits will transfer us? Paul, do you want to talk a little bit more about transfer aladji?

Printer aladji absolutely so maybe we can put it this link into the general chat box somewhere. We can check how your credits transfer multiple ways. If you just want to reach out to us, we can look at the school you're going to kind of give you an idea, but I guess transferaladji.com is actually a website where you log in with Google account or Facebook account, and then you actually input the courses that you're thinking about taking, and it will show you if it matches with CSU.

This of course is much easier for well known Community College Colorado institutions. Two year for year. All that information is on there on transfer aladji. It's a great place to start if you jump on transfertransferaladji.com and it's not showing you a good match or a direct match. I want you just pause and reach out to other. Please just a little bit easier to make sure that we find those correct course before you to save you some time and some headings as well online.

Definitely alright, so I'm only has another question that I'm going to answer. She asks if I take concurrent enrollment classes. do I need to take placement exams? So at CSU the main placement tools and procedures that we have is there's one for meth, one for composition. We do have a little bit of a preparatory course for chemistry that isn't it true placement exam, but you might see it fall under there and then if you want to take a foreign language. So really math composition and if you want to take a foreign language is where you may take a placement exam.

We do still recommend that students, even if you're expecting to bring in dual enrollment, credit or other types of credit, you take those placement exams because especially if one of the classes you're hoping to have credit for your taking in the spring semester, because we may not receive your transcript and evaluate your credits before you meet with your academic advisor at orientation. And that's when you're going to register for classes, and so it's best to have at least some piece of material, some jumping off point for them to be able to help you pick out fall classes here at CSU.

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Exactly.

Stopping said If Maybe your math placement exam places you in college algebra, but you've already completed that with dual enrollment credits. Once those credits transfer in, you'll be able to go back in and change your registration, so you're not going to be held to what you receive through the placement tools, but it is just, you know, another way to cover your bases to make sure that your academic advisor has all the information they need to help you register for classes at orientation.

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I can take both of those, yeah?

I can take both of those if you want me too.

Go for it.

Cool, so let's go with the to take college courses. Do you have to be physically on campus? Usually know if it's like a like I said. Dual enrollment programs have their own thing. Maybe you can talk about that a little bit more. Interview 'cause Ellie you are dual enrolled as well, right?

OK.

I had some. I don't honestly can't remember. I wasn't in high school that long ago. I know that my husband a lot of overlap with AP and dual enrollment classes, but almost all of our options were offered in the high school. So you could take the dual enrollment class in my high school. The teachers were, you know, accredited, trained, certified. I don't know the exact terminology to teach those college courses.

Yeah.

And you also have the option to do it online or go to a college campus, and that's really going to be more determined by the program and by your high school then it is by any of us at the college level, because for us it doesn't matter the format as long as the institution you're taking the credit through is accredited, awarding you that credit.

Perfect yeah. And so how to send college transcripts. Usually you can go right through the college like when you sign up for courses at any college you're going to be. You will have to make it like a student account with that college. So through the college they actually have tools to send, usually online or via Mail. You just log in through the like transcript ordering service. Your college uses all online. You should be able to send it to CSU pretty easily.

Awesome, OK, so we have another question about how do we access placement exams so this could depend a little bit on what year you are in school. If you are coming this fall, you'll have access to them now and they are linked through your ram web homepage so on there you'll find a little section that says other ways to get ram ready and it has links to the placement exams you can follow through there. It will take you to their websites in the logins that you need to access and provide you with tips, tools and instructions on how to complete those. If you're not currently admitted for fall of 2020.

You won't have access to those until more into the spring of the year before you come to CSU, so if you're hoping to come follow 2021, you should start looking out for those. Maybe April may time frame of next year, and you'll have access to those in be able to complete them. If you have ever any issues finding things on Ram, Web, or locating things like that that we're talking about. Again, just to reiterate, you are more than welcome to reach out to us directly. We can send screenshots and we can have conversations over the phone and direct you really, pointedly to that, but it is on your ram. Web homepage.

Um, do I need to submit my Joan Romance before orientation pulled? You answer that you want me to.

Yes, let me so. It's not necessarily required. Is it helpful? Yes, so even for transfer students who are not dual enrolled there just transferring to CSU, they run into that same issue where during your spring semester you're still in those classes when you sign up for orientation. And sometimes those classes aren't officially available through an official transcript by orientation, right? So what I like to have students encourage them to do is just have access to an unofficial transcript. Usually same thing that student account I talked about earlier.

New York school. You're coming from. You should have access to an unofficial transcript. Having that on hand or being able to have that available during orientation will allow your academic advisor to not put you in courses you've already taken.

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I was wondering, saying that, um, having taken several business dual enrollment classes, will those only transfer if they choose a business major. So you want to talk about that Paul specifically, and also kind of broadly major versus not major credit.

Absolutely. So that is a wonderful question. Let's say you are taking business courses, but then when you get to college you like. I don't want to take business usually. What happens again if you're if it's a regionally accredited institution like a local Community College, or University that you're taking the classes through, the classes will transfer how they are applied will depend on what the major you choose. So let's say you decide to jump into engineering, and if you don't want to pick up a business minor, then they will use those business courses.

As elective credit, an elective credit is a whole another topic, but elective credits basically saying here's credits that you can take outside of your major, and that's how I like to think about it. So it's their fun classes. Usually it's a great way to expand your knowledge and skill set, so if you are taking classes again, like Ellie said earlier, just because the class doesn't apply to your degree specifically, it's still a great experience, right? Having some business wherewithal is a great way that just kind of get ready for a general job, so yeah.

The credits will transfer even if you're not going to be a business unit. Great question.

And you could always add a business minor, so that's something to consider too. It's the number one most taken in minor at CSU that you compare just about any major. So it could also fit into a minor as well as long as well as being elective credit. OK Paul, what is the minimum and maximum number of college classes you can take during the dual enrollment?

Alright, so first and foremost do not overload yourself please as a high school student, but let's say you have met all of your high school requirement, right? Let's say you're just ahead of the game. Then their students like that right? On average, students are encouraged, or at least at a typical College Community College. You can take 12 to 18 credits a semester without getting an approval, so this might change through the dual enrollment programs. If your high school is paying for the for the.

Or your district is paying for your dual enrollment courses. There might be some caveats there, so just make sure again to ask your counselor in your area. But as a college student 12 to 18, which 18 is a lot of of course is 12 is the minimum to be full time and I don't think doing rule students are required to have a minimum or maximum out of credit. But if you want to take a lot of courses such as more than 18 credits, then you usually need an approval from the college and the.

And a high school counselor as well. So yeah, great question.

Correct?

And I think if that was maybe kind of talking in all encompassing experience, you don't need to meet a minimum number of credits to be able to have them transferred. So if you just took one class that's usually about 3 credits, you can just transfer 3 credits to CSU and that can be a great experience. I believe that you have to take your last 30 credits of your degree at CSU, right? Paul?

Correct?

Correct?

So in theory 90 credits would be the maximum. UM, for the most part, 'cause you will still have to take those 30 credits. At CSU, I would say it's very, very, very unlikely that a dual enrollment student would ever reach that number. I don't want to rule it out 'cause it's probably happened somewhere out there, but I would say the most we typically see is 60 credits, and that's going to be coming from those students at early college high schools that are completing their associates along with their high school degree. I would say most students would.

I don't want to throw an average out there and be wrong, but I'm thinking maybe 15 to 30 credits is a little bit more typical for what dual enrollment students bring in, yeah?

Got more common?

Yep, and I would like to add a little caveat there. Would you have a credit transfer maximum from a two year college? So if you're going to a two year school, the maximum you can transfer that will apply to your degree is 64 credits and we use the best 64. So if you are again just ahead of the game when you complete 80 credits at Community College transfer CSU, we're only going to use a 64 maximum will take all the credit for only 64 will apply to your program.

This is why we need freshman. An transfer people involved in dual enrollment webinars. Very cool.

I'm learning so much.

Alright, so it seems like the chat has kind of cooled off a little bit. Uh, will give it a few more seconds. If you have any other questions, please type those in there now. Um, again, thank you so much for joining us. We're so excited that we got to share a little bit of this information with you and get in front of you a little bit. We hope we can welcome you to campus soon. Bye as you're considering, CSC would encourage you to look at the other web and our opportunities we have going on throughout the summer. We also have one on one chats with both.

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Freshman and transfer counselors. If you have any other questions, you're more than welcome to reach out to us that way I am putting the link for the find your counselor one more time in the chat so that you can use that again to find your counselor. If you need to. But we do have one more question. If you plan to go into medicine, can you take pre Med as a dual enrollment student Paul?

Yes, so I'm premed and I want you all who are still here to like. Think of this pre whatever you want to do as a an idea or A tag that you can add to any degree. By the way there are pre Med students who are dance majors, philosophy majors, biology majors. Premed is usually a set of pre medical courses required to attend medical school and that usually ranges from your biologies.

Chemistry, math, physics. So yes, you can totally be a pre Med type student. That's a great way to jump ahead and start dipping your toes into those really rigorous type classes. So, great question again.

Yeah, I just dropped a link to our health professions advising site. I picked the one that is specifically for students who want to go to Med school and it will link what classes you should probably take during your bachelors degree for Med school. So that could be a great resource. And if you go up to the top bar on that website, it has a lot of other health professions fields outlined in the same way, so that can be really helpful tool as well. So with that, if there are no other questions coming in Pool, is there anything else that you would add about dual enrollment CSU? Any other tips, tricks, advice, specs for these students?

Only thing is definitely do not overload yourself. As Ellie said earlier, we rather see a strong high school student with good curriculum type stuff. Then students struggling. You know trying to over Stack the jeweler roll credits. But dual enrollment is a fantastic way to buy you some extra time in college or by less time, right? You have more freedom with the more credits you come in, so I highly encourage it. But please don't sacrifice your high school experiences for it.

Yeah.

Awesome, great thank you so much for joining us. All of you. Please reach out in the future if you need anything else but other than that have a great weekend and most importantly gorams by all.