Am I are you able to control the slides? I didn't take it over today.
No, you didn't. I could control the slides. Hi everyone. Welcome to our presentation about health professions advising. We have two of our advisors here today. My name is Lily duty Aaron. I'm neat, assistant director of our office and.
Health professions advisor here at CSU.
This is our first time giving a virtual web and are like this so we asked for your patience and if you have any issues with the technology or there's some issue with my video or my audio, just feel free to put something in the chat about it and will try to do our best to fix that.
So thank you so much for joining us today. I'll be giving the presentation and Terry will be answering questions in the chat for you. We, the presentation is pretty short. It's about 10 or 15 minutes long, so there will be time for you to ask questions at the end. Also, we can address some of those verbally and in the chat while we're actually giving the presentation.
So this presentation is about our office health professions advising. We have four advisors and we work with students who are pursuing careers in human, an animal health care professions. So that means students who want to go to Medical School of Veterinary School, PA school, Peachy School, Dental School, Pharmacy School. The list is very very long, so any of those healthcare professions are office can support you as a CSU student.
So we'll start by just talking about advising in general at CSU because as a pre help or a pre vet student you will actually have at least two advisors, so you'll have a kind of primary advisor in your major. Or if you haven't declared a major yet, when you start at CSU, you'll have an undeclared student advisor, and that advisor will kind of help you the most with picking your classes.
Which semester to take certain classes and helping you kind of stay on track for graduation. They also help you with a ton of other stuff. I like connecting to Kansas resources and kind of getting connected with your Department too, but it kind of their primary role is to help you with those major classes that you need for graduation.
Then as a pre health student or prevent student, you'll also have a health professions advisor so that somebody in our office and we are kind of a secondary supporting advisor and our role is to help you make sure that you can become the most competitive candidate possible for whatever profession you want to go into. So we talk about the classes that you need in order to be eligible to apply the classes that you need to be competitive as an applicant.
And then all the kind of stuff that you should be doing outside of the classroom to also be a competitive candidate. And we'll talk about that a little bit more later in the presentation.
So we we care that you graduate just like your academic advisor does, but our focus is a little bit more on what comes after graduation and you actually don't even have to graduate to get into some of these professional schools. So, like for veterinary school, for example, you don't actually have to graduate to go to most veterinary schools, almost everybody does, but you don't actually have to, so that's kind of the difference in the different advisors. I think it can be a little bit confusing at first, but really, it's a really good model because it means that you have all these adults on campus that are.
Kind of invested in you and your success in helping support you during your time here.
What is the perfect major for premed student or prevent students? As you can probably guess from the photo that we have here, the answer is there is no perfect major. These professional schools absolutely don't care what your major is. They care about what classes you take, the grades that you earn and what you do outside of the classroom. So any major is perfectly fine for going into any of these professional programs.
If they don't care about your major, what do they care about academically?
They want to see a really good GPA. You've probably heard this before, so we recommend shooting for at least a 3.5 every semester higher than that to be really competitive.
If you don't get the highest GPA right away, that doesn't mean that you can't go into one of these professions, because a lot of them look at your application. Holistic Lee so they look at everything in your application.
But if you aren't doing well academically, there's definitely some changes that you'll probably need to make, and we can help you kind of support you and figuring out how to make those changes.
They also care about certain prerequisites. An upper division coursework. So every health profession school has a list of prerequisite classes that are required in order for you to apply. So just to be eligible to apply, you have to take these prerequisites and they are different for different programs. So like Medical School is quite different from veterinary school, quite different from PA school. And then they're also really different between different schools. So, for example, the University of Colorado School of Madison.
It's gonna have different prerequisites then the University of New Mexico School of Medicine, for example. So that's why we're here to kind of help you navigate all those different prerequisites and make sure that you can take the right ones to be eligible to apply.
Then they also want to see Upper Division coursework that is relevant to the profession that you're going into. So this usually means taking some hard upper level science classes, and that's why a lot of students do choose science majors. But you definitely don't have to, so we can kind of help you figure out what some of those upper division hard classes are going to be that are relevant for the profession that you want to go into. Usually we're looking at classes like anatomy and Physiology, cell biology, genetics.
Microbiology those kind of upper level hard science classes, but sometimes we're looking at upper level psychology courses or other behavioral science courses if that is more of the profession that you want to kind of go into. So the reason schools want to see these difficult upper division courses because they are most similar to the classes you're going to take in their professional programs, and they just want to know that you're ready to handle that course work 'cause it's really hard.
And then one other thing that we really encourage you to get out of your coursework is connections with faculty. So it's really good. It's sometimes hard, and a big class, but you can make you know, figure out ways going to office hours are asking questions, are doing some kind of outside of the classroom stuff to connect with your faculty to get to know them, to kind of seek out, mentor, ship from them, and then you'll need to ask them for letters of recommendation when you apply. So your letters are going to be much better.
If you're the faculty that you're asking of letters from, just know you better like a year or two at least, so we definitely encourage you to connect with your faculty as early as you can.
Then professional schools also want to see some good Co curricular experiences. A competitive candidate has really good academics, but also they're involved outside of the classroom. So here are some examples of how you can be involved outside of the classroom. We have a ton of student clubs on campus. You can join the club that's related to health care. We have a bunch of those in our office or a club that's not related to health care at all, and that still is going to help you develop really, really strong skills that are relevant.
The healthcare profession, like leadership and teamwork and communication. You also can sometimes have the opportunity to get involved as a teaching assistant or research assistant. So a teaching assistant would help in a lab and a research assistant in a lab class and a research assistant would help. Doing research in a professor's lab. These are both really good experiences to connect with faculty more and to get some leadership and research, especially is pretty relevant to students who want to go into healthcare because.
Everything we do in all forms of Medison come from a lot of research, so it's it's good to know, kind of how the scientific method works and to be able to read some primary literature within science.
Then we also encourage you to volunteer to do community service. That's why I picked this photo, because that's probably the most important one here. All these professions are about serving others, so it's really important to demonstrate that you have a commitment to service because that's the profession that you're going into. And then we also have international experience listed here, because I think a lot of pre health students think that they're not going to have time to travel or study abroad during their.
Undergraduate time, and that's not true. There's definitely opportunities to study abroad where you can take some science classes. There are opportunities to study abroad over the summer or to get paid experiences abroad during breaks, and I'll share with you a pretty cool example of a course that we talked last year. I taught. I brought a group of students to Croatia, which was over winter break in January, and we shadow doctors in a hospital in Croatia and then had really good conversations about.
Topics in healthcare. So there's a ton of ways to get international experience. Whether you're studying abroad or volunteering that are totally relevant to being a healthcare professional an there is space in your schedule to do that.
Then we also recommend getting clinical experience In addition to kind of those general involvement experiences. And this is because you really want to verify to yourself that you want to go into this profession and it'll make you more competitive candidate. So we recommend that you shadow a professional in the career that you want to go into so that you can just see what some typical day looks like.
We also have for the students who want to pursue the human health care professions. We have a really robust volunteer program with our local UC health hospitals and so we put about 50 to 60 new student volunteers into the hospital every semester to volunteer and kind of get to see how the hospital works and what the different units look like and get some really good experiences.
Then we have work experience listed here too, because something really cool about the health care professions is that you can actually work while you're in school. There are so many jobs that you can get working in healthcare that are relevant for your future career and will make you money, and they'll be flexible with your school schedule. So we have students who work a certified nurse aids for example, a CNA's we have some students who working as medical scribes in the hospitals. We have some students who are working in veterinary clinics.
's veterinary assistants or veterinary technicians. So there's a ton of ways to kind of hit a few birds with one stone, get some work experience, make some money and get some clinical experience at the same time.
And then, just like with faculty, we really encourage you to connect with the clinicians that you're working with in these settings because they can help. Kind of mentor you, show you the ropes of kind of you know what health care is all about, especially the profession that you want to pursue, and then they can let you write you letters of recommendation as well.
So we put this slide in here because we get a lot of questions about numbers like what percentage of CSU students get accepted into XY Z school, especially medical school and veterinary school students want to know about. So we put this up here because admission statistics are just not a very good indicator of what makes a competitive candidate. We hear over and over again from the admissions folks that we talked to that.
The school that you go to, just like your major, doesn't matter at all what they care about in your application is all that other stuff that we talked about already. So you can develop a really competitive application at any school in the country. It's all that stuff, academics, hands-on, research, clinical, all that kind of stuff is independent of your major, independent of your school. We we have done one study, we do have a little bit of data. We studied medical students, students applying to medical school from CSU over the last four years.
And they got in out of a rate of about 45%, which is pretty similar to the national average. Maybe a little bit higher depending on the year that you're looking at, so our students are getting in just just as students across the country are getting in.
And then we also address this with veterinary schools because a lot of students come to CSU because we have a great day at school here and they think that they will be more likely to get in to the veterinary school at CSU if they come to CSU as an undergraduate. So we want to tell you that that's definitely not true. They don't preference CSU undergraduates in the application and need missions process. What they do do this is true for all public veterinary schools in the country is that they have a certain number of seats reserved for Colorado residents.
And then a certain number of seats reserved for out of state students. So it's about half and half and the students applying from Colorado is about 200 to 250 each year. The students applying from out of state is about 2000 each year, so it's much, much smaller pool. If you are applying as a Colorado resident as opposed to an out of state student. And then there are also some contracts that the state of Colorado has with other western states that don't have veterinary schools.
So there are seats reserved for students from those western states through the Witchy program.
I like to end with this slide too, because I think a lot of students imagine that their path will be very linear, really straight that they'll just take all the classes that they need to check all the boxes and go straight into the profession that they want to go into. And this happens sometimes, and we're here to help you kind of along that path if that's what works out for you, but what's probably a lot more common, is this really squiggly path on the right side? Most professionals and healthcare, and really every professional.
Veronica Neujahr
10:15:48 AM
If you do those international experiences, does it delay when you graduate?
In the workforce in the US will probably tell you that their path was a little bit more kind of Squiggly, and they weren't really sure what they wanted to do or they thought they knew what they wanted to do, and then they change their mind and it just took them a little while to figure out exactly what they wanted to do as a career. And maybe they changed their careers a couple of times.
Alex Short
10:16:06 AM
How can we get involved with research opportunities?
So we just want to share that we are here to support you anywhere along that path. Whether it's really linear and street, or whether it's really squiggly like this, we were never behind. If you come in, we have students come in for appointments and say they think they're behind schedule and that's just totally not true. The oldest person to get into medical school each year is typically about in their late 40s, early 50s, so you're never too late.
And then we also want to share that. It's actually pretty common for students to take gap years over 60% of students who start medical school have taken at least one gap year and the average age of students entering the vet school at Csus, about 25. So there's a lot of students that go straight in, but there's also quite a few students who are older that are kind of bringing up the average to be a little bit older, so any of those is totally fine, and I think our veterinary school especially tends to like those a little bit more nontraditional students because you have a little more life experience. Typically, if you take in.
A year or so, so we are here to help you. You know the whole time you're an undergraduate. And then we're also here to support students who are alumni so we can continue to meet with you as an alumni view. End up applying to a professional school a couple years after you graduate. We can still give you feedback about your application and help you prep for interviews and all that kind of stuff.
Well, thank you for your for listening. Thank you for your time. We have our website listed there with a ton of good information. We have a listof probably 15 different healthcare professions where we've included the most common prerequisites, so you can kind of get an idea of what kind of classes you would need to take. If you want to go into any of those professions and then we have a whole bunch of other resources like volunteer opportunities and things like that on that website. So if you have questions later on after the presentation.
You are welcome to email that address right there and then. We will also answer some questions in the chat right now.
Are you answering all of them right now, Terry, or should I answer some verbally too?
I'm happy to answer some of them verbally so that everyone can hear.
Well, go ahead and answer them verbally. Uhm the.
Yeah, I think that works.
Unfortunately, my voice dictation was picking up your audio.
So it kind of threw me off, but why don't we go ahead and do that verbally then?
OK, so here's a question. If you do international experiences, does it delay when you graduate? That's a great question. That totally depends. It doesn't have to. It totally depends on what kind of international experience you want to have and how long you go for. So it depends on what your major is. So if you have like a.
Really difficult major with a lot of requirements. It might be a little bit hard to kind of fit a whole semester abroad into your graduation plan and still graduate on time. So in that case it might be a little better to try to do a summer experience or winter break experience. But if you have enough space in your schedule, then you definitely don't have to delay graduation by studying abroad.
Yeah, that's a good question. There's there most of the majors you can actually take some major courses while you're abroad that sometimes count towards your major, so that can be really helpful.
For the pre health. For the prerequisites, we actually recommend not taking those abroad. Most of the professional schools want to see that they those prerequisites were taken domestically, but what you can do is take some of those upper level hard science classes abroad, 'cause they don't care what the content is of those classes, they just want to see that you've taken hard upper level science classes, so they're usually fine with like anatomy or Physiology or cell biology or developmental biology. Any of those kind of abroad.
How can we get involved with research opportunities? Thinks that's a good question too. There's a bunch of different ways, so we have a newsletter we send out once a week and during the school year and every other week during the summer. And we share sometimes research opportunities that we hear about that are relevant for pre health students, so will share those in the newsletter. The Career Center also has a database of internships, jobs, those kind of opportunities that students can sift through to find some research.
If it's gonna be off campus.
And then if professors are looking for undergraduates to work in their labs, they will usually advertise that through the Department. So sometimes your academic advisor can help you find that, or sometimes your Department or your college will have some kind of newsletter or social media account where they will post research opportunities.
Ashley Mascorro
10:21:08 AM
Do you offer an honors college?
Antonio Silva
10:21:17 AM
Do you recommend taking only 12 units freshmen year?
Tabby McMichael
10:21:19 AM
Would physiology with lab, biological psychology with lab, and biochemistry count as "biology" classes for pre-med purposes?
You can also there's a program called the office of undergraduate research and artistry whole office on campus devoted to research so they have research programs that you can apply for. They can help connect you to a lab, so there's a whole bunch of different ways to find some research. Yeah, a lot of students will do research on campus. Some like to do it over the summer off campus somewhere else so they get to kind of experience a different place, and it's a little more intensive of an experience. You are typically if you have an internship or research internship over the summer, that will be like.
40 hours a week probably, whereas during the school year would be a little bit less, probably more like 10 hours a week depending on the lab.
Kate Schoonveld
10:21:30 AM
Are there advisors that will help with the MCAT?
Tabby McMichael
10:21:32 AM
I'm a nationally certified phlebotomist - are there job opportunities for phlebotomists in Fort Collins?
Ashley Mascorro
10:21:46 AM
When do you have to declare a major? And is it possible to change it through out my time at CSU?
Here's a question about do we have an honors college? Yes we do. And if you want to check that out, I think they're probably doing some webinars this week. I'm not totally sure if they are or not, but you can just Google CSU honors program and you'll find all the information about the Honors Program.
Makayla Groeneweg
10:21:48 AM
How soon should we meet with your office as an incoming freshman?
Makayla Wosek
10:21:51 AM
Would you be able to tell us the most ideal things to do during the gap year before entering veterinary school to make our application more appealing?
Kate Schoonveld
10:21:53 AM
Are there advisors that will help with the MCAT?
Kate Schoonveld
10:21:54 AM
Are there advisors that will help with the MCAT?
Stephen Jaksic
10:21:58 AM
If you participate in volunteer work where on campus would we go to sign up for volunteer work?
This question do you recommend taking only 12 units freshman year so 12 credits is full-time status 12 credits per semester is full time status, so we actually typically recommend taking more like 14 to 16 credits each semester and.
Chris Snell
10:22:07 AM
Was this session recorded?
That is because you need at least 120 credits to graduate, and if you take 15 credits each semester for eight semesters, which is 4 years, then you will reach 120 credits. So if you want to graduate on time, we typically recommend taking in that 14 to 16 credit range each semester.
But if you are nervous about taking that many credits, it's totally fine to take a little bit easier load your first year. You probably will just need to take some summer classes if you want to still graduate on time, but it's definitely still an option.
This question says word Physiology with lab biological psychology with lab and biochemistry count is biology classes for premed purposes.
So those are great examples of some of those upper division science classes that will kind of help make you more competitive candidate, but typically are not required. Is Physiology and biological psychology or that way? Sometimes we see Physiology with lab required for some programs like physical therapy or PA school, but typically not for medical school and biochemistry is typically on the M cat, so we do usually recommend that for pre Med students, but it's typically not required for any of the other programs.
So if, um, if a medical school has biology listed as a requirement, they may accept they may require that to be general biology, or they may accept an upper level biology class like one of those examples. It just depends on the medical school. Yeah, that's a good question. But all of those are really helpful classes for pre health students.
Are there advisors that will help with the M cat? Yes, that's what we can. We were here to help you with the M cat too, so we can talk to you about some of the kind of test prep resources that are available. Those resources that are published directly from the Association of American Medical colleges, which is the organization that writes the M Cat and accredits medical schools. And so we can help you kind of find those requirements. And then we also actually offer an end cap prep class at CSU.
That's through Kaplan. They've been around for a long time, and this is a pretty heavily discounted class. It costs about 60% of what it would take at retail. So yeah, we can definitely help you find emcat resources and kind of plan out how you're going to study.
This student says I'm a nationally certified phlebotomist or their job. Opportunities for phlebotomist in Fort Collins. That's a great question too. We do have some students who are working as phlebotomists, and the rest of you who may not be familiar with that term. That's somebody who draws blood at a hospital or a blood donation center. So yes, we have some students who work as phlebotomists. I had heard from some students that it can be hard to find a job here, but I also have worked with some students who have found jobs.
In specially the blood donation centers. So that's definitely an option. I would encourage you to look for some jobs once you get here.
When do you have to declare?
Oh yeah, go ahead, sorry, Terry, go ahead.
I have an expression there, uh, the question.
When do you have to go through major and is it possible to change it through throughout my time in CSU and the answer is yes, you actually don't have to different major until like 360 credit correctly.
What schools are going to be looking at is not necessarily the major you choose, but the classes that you've taken. So it is helpful to declare major, but it's not absolutely necessary and we do have students that change their majors a number of time CSU?
Anything you'd like to add with Emily?
No, you can keep answering them too. I'm sorry, I just kinda. I was on a roll so I just kept going so feel free to keep going and I'm happy to answer any that you want, but.
How soon should we meet with your office as an incoming freshman?
Well, most importantly, you should probably meet with your advisor first, which I believe is purgatory, imitation, and then we can discuss, uh, whatever trek images.
In the profession that you're pursuing, would you agree with that Lily is, well, I right?
Yeah, we also will be at orientation too so they can connect with us at orientation also.
Let's emails we have here.
Would you be able to tell us the most ideal for to do during your gap year before entering veterinary school to make your application for peeling? So often seems volunteer at shelters or spayed and neuter clinics.
What else would you add on that, Willie?
You can also work, especially during a gap year. I'd probably recommend working full time so you can work as a veterinary assistant without a license. If you have a veterinary tech license, you can work, but it's not probably not worth becoming a vet tech just to get that that particular job because you can work in a veterinary clinic without that license.
But we also encourage some volunteering. Yep, so definitely kind of working in a veterinary setting an then volunteering either with or without animals. Just demonstrating that commitment to service.
OK, I think we touched on the.
Hopefully I'm catan like Lily mentioned. We have the The Cat Limb Prep course.
You know, practice exams and things like that.
The next question is if you purchased breaking volunteer work, where on campus would you go to sign up with it? Volunteer work? So there's a number of resources we can refer to. Different programs like campus or in the community, but would you say also going through the slice office? Is it going?
Do the slice office. They'll see different student groups on campus as well as ways, ways to get involved in community through service learning and other.
Ashley Mascorro
10:29:10 AM
Does CSU provide academic advice and support to students? Do professors have office hours??
Tabby McMichael
10:29:11 AM
I took AP Biology in high school; would you recommend taking LIFE 103 instead of LIFE 102 as AP Biology would give me credit for LIFE 102
Philanthropy and and a volunteer programs.
Let's see what else we have.
And how can students access that?
I think through admissions I I'm not quite sure, but if you contacted missions they should be able to give it give you the recording.
OK, next question is does CSU providing them with Verizon support to students?
Yes, you do have to seek out those resources.
Chris Snell
10:30:08 AM
Thank you!
You know, kind of follow you around, but we are available in your to answer whatever questions you may have. If you need help utilizing resources, we can definitely get you connected with those resources that's academic or personal reasons.
New professors office hours. Generally speaking, Yes, now that may look a little bit different in the upcoming semester because the universities still kind of figuring out how dishonest official workload 19 there was still some social distancing practices that we will implement. But overall, yes, the other test professor will have office hours, you know anymore about that.
Nick Jurney
10:30:55 AM
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No, I know that all professors are required to have office hours, so if they don't have them in person they will be in some kind of virtual format.
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Alright, we have a question here. I took AP biology in high school. Would you recommend taking life 1 three instead of life one or two as AP biology? Given credit for life 102, I would say yes. If you don't have to take life when I'm doing. You already received credit then go ahead and take life oil free. Would you agree that Lily?
So some schools, alot of schools will accept AP credits but not all of them will. So if if a school does require a general biology class or two general biology classes, then you and they won't accept AP credits, then you might need to retake that CSU. But or you know at a Community College even will be fine. But for now I think it's fine to go into life 103 because if you really have to do that for one of the schools you want to apply to, you can always go back and take it later on.
Ella Mathews
10:32:11 AM
Does CSU accept credits from most community colleges?
And you should kick butt and get an A Plus. Plus if you take it as a junior or senior.
Abigail Corbett
10:32:13 AM
How are online classes going to work with science labs?
So generally you do wanna check with the schools that you're planning to.
Is a couple more does it is 10:30. So if you need to leave, we totally understand. I think we can stay on for just a couple more questions or a couple more minutes to answer these questions.
Don't see if you accept credits from most community colleges.
Alex Short
10:32:39 AM
Will our academic advisors help build our schedule to fit in all pre req classes for med school or should we meet with our health advisor to help build it
That that is true. Why would recommend using is shoe has a website called train biology. Maybe we can that link in the chat. Is that possible?
I don't, well students have to sign up for it on their own and the the the portal that we go through is different. That staff go through is different, but if you Google it you can find it.
Yeah, so if you if you just do a search for transfer aladji CSU it it's a great website because you can plug in the course that you're bringing to see is you and it will show you what they transfer as.
Ashley Mascorro
10:33:23 AM
I have a medical billing and coding certification, pharmaceutical technician certification, and EMT certification. Are there opportunities to use these certifications at Fort Colins?
OK, next question, how are online classes going to work with science labs? You know, that's something we've been asked a lot and the academic Department will still kind of working out the details. The answer is, we really don't know yet, but that is in the process. I know that a lot of students aren't coming.
Taking Landon, I like formats, so if it is an option, maybe waiting till the spring take the labs. Would you breed Lily instead of?
Yeah, we have no idea. I mean, we won't be. We won't have any control over how online classes work or don't work, and those department's really don't know yet. So I think for now I would just sign up for classes as an academic advisor recommends, including labs. And if it turns out that some of the labs are going to be on line in the fall and you feel really uncomfortable with that, you can just wait and take them in the spring.
Yeah, so I wish we had a better answer for that. It's been frustrating for anyone, so please just stay tuned and there will be some sort of warning and offered whether that is online or in person.
Ideally in person is what it wants.
See, as you will be following are guidelines from.
I'll just I had quickly what we have heard from almost every professional school out there is that they will be accepting on line courses that end pass fail courses that were taken during this time period because of the coronavirus pandemic. They know they know what's going on and they know that it's going to affect students. You know who are applying right now and who are applying next year and the year after. So they have been very understanding of kind of some of the online course work.
The question is, what will our academic advisors help? Builder schedule fit in our pre recs for Med school? Or should we meet with our health adviser to build it? So yes you could meet with us an but all prior to meeting with us, meeting with your academic advisor to get you on the right track. Whatever your desired major might be and then kind of we have wonderful website which lists most of the pre Recs and as as you build your schedule you can fit.
Pre Recs for whatever profession you're pursuing, individual as you go.
Anything you'd like to add on now playing?
I have a medical billing and coding certification.
Formal logical technician survey shun an EMT certification. Wow, are there opportunities use these certifications.
I would say definitely, um.
There are always opportunities like come, you know when you have.
This pain of personal skills? How would you?
Kate Schoonveld
10:38:22 AM
Would I be able to minor in neuroscience and major in something else or do I have to major in neuroscience?
Alex Short
10:38:29 AM
Do you guys know if Hospitals are allowing students to shadow yet? If not how can we get that clinical experience during the summer
What are you wearing neuroscience and doing something else? Or do I have to major in neuroscience Lily? Do you have they offer Earl Sciences? I don't.
Maybe maybe a little Major General Science.
You guys know if tools are allowing students shadow yet? If not, how can we get clinical experience during the summer so as of right now you see health is not.
Um doesn't have any student shadowing correct Lily? How will they be working in the flaw?
And I would also add that if you have opportunity to shadow, maybe in an area that.
Is not typically be the professional pursuing. I still think that would be helpful. For example, if we can shadow physical therapist or occupational therapists, there may be some opportunities, or rather than in the hospital setting, even if you're selling mathematical field, the field the Medison Adam, would you agree with that statement, Lily?